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paul ryan, go. >> some of the turnout. some of the turnout in urban areas, which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> president obama won reelection because of high turnout in urban areas. that's what paul ryan says presumably because it makes him feel good to think that's must be what happened. here's what we know. nbc news reporting that in the swing states, president obama did as well as democrats usually do in urban areas. so he did well there, but pretty much par for the course. if you look at the eight swing states the president won, president obama did only marginally better in some of them. two states, he actually did worse. florida was the only state where there was a significant increase. just florida. a state the president didn't even have to win in order to win the election. so paul ryan's theory about how and why they lost, the surprise urban turnout might make him feel better about what happened, but it doesn't explain why. okay. now it's time for round two. things people are sa
paul ryan, go. >> some of the turnout. some of the turnout in urban areas, which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> president obama won reelection because of high turnout in urban areas. that's what paul ryan says presumably because it makes him feel good to think that's must be what happened. here's what we know. nbc news reporting that in the swing states, president obama did as well as democrats usually do in urban areas. so he did well there, but...
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well, we just -- >> we needed paul ryan actually to help get the job done. >> even having paul ryan talk about it. it's amazing. they decided while mitt romney lost the election, his ideas, they think won. i don't know how they get there. >> i feel like what they're trying to do is say, we lost, never mind but we're going to keep doing what we do. if we keep saying it enough, maybe -- >> i read that -- john boehner's op-ed pretty carefully. here's one thing he said. he said there are three ways to take down obama care, through the courts, through the election -- by the way, both of those haven't worked out -- three through what he called congressional oversight. to me, what he's saying there is congressional sabotage. >> right. >> maybe i'm -- maybe i didn't listen closely enough to, you know, civics back in elementary school, but the job of the congress is to implement the supreme court-backed law of the land. >> that's right. >> to me what he's saying is really quite scary when you get down to it. >> i want to ask -- there's a question on that because essentially they've been defeated
well, we just -- >> we needed paul ryan actually to help get the job done. >> even having paul ryan talk about it. it's amazing. they decided while mitt romney lost the election, his ideas, they think won. i don't know how they get there. >> i feel like what they're trying to do is say, we lost, never mind but we're going to keep doing what we do. if we keep saying it enough, maybe -- >> i read that -- john boehner's op-ed pretty carefully. here's one thing he said. he...
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ryan budget. it was on social security and on medicare. now what we have is dozens of republicans who weathered those attacks and they came out on top. so when they come to a fiscal cliff negotiation, they're saying why should we compromise when you attacked us on the paul ryan budget and we're still standing? voters voted for us. so i think it's less likely we're going to see kind of a grand compromise because both sides are very entrenched. >> woodruff: even with that small pick-up of democrats in the house and even though the presidential vote was bigger than the overall house republican vote? >> right. i mean that's... both camps, you know,. >> woodruff: we'll have an argument. >> i think when it comes to the .. there's all sorts of discussion on the fiscal cliff. president obama and speaker boehner are probably more willing to compromise, but their caucuses and their parties are very entrenched. i don't think we know what's going to happen out of this. >> woodruff: we certainly don't. nathan
ryan budget. it was on social security and on medicare. now what we have is dozens of republicans who weathered those attacks and they came out on top. so when they come to a fiscal cliff negotiation, they're saying why should we compromise when you attacked us on the paul ryan budget and we're still standing? voters voted for us. so i think it's less likely we're going to see kind of a grand compromise because both sides are very entrenched. >> woodruff: even with that small pick-up of...
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ryan talking about the urban vote and it was mitt romney talking about always beautiful people wanted from president obama and then just last night bill arrived early love a man to the changing american electorate and how untraditional those americans are who voted for president obama. if you win you seventeen writers who actually look at the exit polling you see that a coalition of voters put the president back into the oval office that coalition was not. it is you know which means it veered away from things like traditional marriage robust capitalism and self-reliance instead each constituency that voted for the president whether it be single women hispanic americans african-americans whatever and very few specific reasons for doing so what do you think was going on at the democratic convention when a variety of speakers put out a long laundry list of things they want the government to provide unlike all these super rich people who voted for mitt romney they didn't want the government to get many things did that follows big oil corporations they didn't support romney so they could r
ryan talking about the urban vote and it was mitt romney talking about always beautiful people wanted from president obama and then just last night bill arrived early love a man to the changing american electorate and how untraditional those americans are who voted for president obama. if you win you seventeen writers who actually look at the exit polling you see that a coalition of voters put the president back into the oval office that coalition was not. it is you know which means it veered...
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not marco rubio, not the rejected vp candidate paul ryan. bobby jindal is making noise lately but it's not hitch. mitch mcconnell is not it. his speaker john boehner is certainly not this charge. that leads to chris christie and rush limbaugh. the take charge governor who's getting from democrats versus the hard right radio show talk show host. how does this gop movie end? joining me now is melina, contributor to "the grio" and margie omaro. the gop has a real rush problem. how do you see this ending? >> i don't mow. in 2009 james carville did a poll and found that rush limbaugh -- many people find that rush limbaugh is the leader of the republican party and that has not changed over the course of four years. rush doesn't need to run for any office. he's beholden to no one except for advertisers and viewers. so republican officials need to stand up to limbaugh first before they can really go out and get more votes in the broader sector of the electorate. >> but margie, is it risky for a republican to stand up to limbaugh when he's popular in
not marco rubio, not the rejected vp candidate paul ryan. bobby jindal is making noise lately but it's not hitch. mitch mcconnell is not it. his speaker john boehner is certainly not this charge. that leads to chris christie and rush limbaugh. the take charge governor who's getting from democrats versus the hard right radio show talk show host. how does this gop movie end? joining me now is melina, contributor to "the grio" and margie omaro. the gop has a real rush problem. how do you...
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. >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan did. did you believe on election day you were going to win? >> i thought between the end of the debates, the debate season and the onset of the storm, we had tremendous momentum. >> yeah. >> we saw it in our internal data, saw it in some of the external data, the public data and saw it on the ground. we would go to rallies, people standing in lines, thousand for hours. >> what happened? why was your internal data so flawed? why was it so wrong? >> i think a couple things. one, there is a -- some kind of systemic crisis today in the world of polling, i think on the right of center polling. the modeling was way off. how pollsters on the republican side -- although not just the republican side. gallup polling, rasmussen made similar mistakes. the understanding, the electorate looked like was way off. >> first of all, you know rasmussen is a republican poll. >> gallup? i'm not letting anyone off the hook. i'm saying there is -- look the republican establishment needs to do an audit and figure out how our understanding of what the electorate looked
. >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan did. did you believe on election day you were going to win? >> i thought between the end of the debates, the debate season and the onset of the storm, we had tremendous momentum. >> yeah. >> we saw it in our internal data, saw it in some of the external data, the public data and saw it on the ground. we would go to rallies, people standing in lines, thousand for hours. >> what happened? why was your internal data so flawed? why...
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. >> ax looked at me and said they are going to pick paul ryan. at the time i thought to myself, they're going to spend a lot of time on defense on medicare, medicaid, all whole bunch of issues. >> they were not divisive issues. >> did you see how close florida was? i think they spent some time defending it. we obviously thought it was important. we air anded several labs -- aired several ads. i thought he added some youth and energy. they had a base concerns and he helped those. so i am not criticizing the pick i just think there were other -- >> you are. >> i was giving an assessment of the good and bad. >> was the helpful? he gave them excitement. he bought them silence from conservatives. did that help or hurt mitt romney? >> i do not think it did much of be there. here is the truth. we carried his home town. vice-presidential picks usually help you in their state or they add something to the national ticket. you have to ask governor romney. >> besides the automobile in the midwest, at what other regional issues? >> in iowa and colorado, wind
. >> ax looked at me and said they are going to pick paul ryan. at the time i thought to myself, they're going to spend a lot of time on defense on medicare, medicaid, all whole bunch of issues. >> they were not divisive issues. >> did you see how close florida was? i think they spent some time defending it. we obviously thought it was important. we air anded several labs -- aired several ads. i thought he added some youth and energy. they had a base concerns and he helped...
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. >> ax looked at me and said they are going to pick paul ryan. at the time i thought to myself, they're going to spend a lot of time on defense on medicare, medicaid, all whole bunch of issues. >> they were not divisive issues. >> did you see how close florida was? i think they spent some time defending it. we obviously thought it was important. we air anded several labs -- aired several ads. i thought he added some youth and energy. they had a base concerns and he helped those. so i am not criticizing the pick i just think there were other -- >> you are. >> i was giving an assessment of the good and bad. >> was the helpful? he gave them excitement. he bought them silence from conservatives. did that help or hurt mitt romney? >> i do not think it did much of be there. here is the truth. we carried his home town. vice-presidential picks usually help you in their state or they add something to the national ticket. you have to ask governor romney. >> besides the automobile in the midwest, at what other regional issues? >> in iowa and colorado, wind
. >> ax looked at me and said they are going to pick paul ryan. at the time i thought to myself, they're going to spend a lot of time on defense on medicare, medicaid, all whole bunch of issues. >> they were not divisive issues. >> did you see how close florida was? i think they spent some time defending it. we obviously thought it was important. we air anded several labs -- aired several ads. i thought he added some youth and energy. they had a base concerns and he helped...
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. >> with finances, the right was pretty happy with the fact that paul ryan was chosen on the ticket considered to be a budget hawk on the hill. does he have a prospect, a brighter future because of the practice that he got out of going through this election and the lessons learned, possibly utilize that going forward? >> this conversation reminds me of the stephen colbert skit of a committee to explore the question of whether or not they should create a committee. you know, clearly ryan is i guess somewhat self appointed, new right young thing of the party and listening to john boehner's comments when asked if he's the leader of the party, there's disagreement in the party and bears remembering every time we have done this in the past election cycles, thought object who the likely candidates were, almost none of them ended up being the likely candidate. mitt romney is an exception and perceived to be a credible front-runner of 2012 and tim pawlenty. >> experience of '08? >> yeah. my point is -- >> traction. >> we project forward based on who's the luminaries now. it often is someone
. >> with finances, the right was pretty happy with the fact that paul ryan was chosen on the ticket considered to be a budget hawk on the hill. does he have a prospect, a brighter future because of the practice that he got out of going through this election and the lessons learned, possibly utilize that going forward? >> this conversation reminds me of the stephen colbert skit of a committee to explore the question of whether or not they should create a committee. you know, clearly...
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one that's talked about quite a bit, joanne, and that is paul ryan. obviously, the budget guy on the republican side. if he's looking at his political future, is it smarter to be a deal maker or hard line conservative? >> well, see, the problem is it's sort of both. he wants to run another republican primary. he needs to be seen as sticking to his principles. he really doesn't have an incentive to move off particularly the main line principle of not raising taxes. in a republican primary, that can be a big problem, which ironically is the same problem for john boehner. he wants to retain his speakership. if he makes a deal before january 3rd, that's a question for him, too. ryan has a double incentive. on the one hand, the new republican party, quote, unquote, you would think being a deal maker makes more sense but there's still a primary and the base of the republican party hasn't moved. >> congressman tom cole is a republican from oklahoma. good morning. >> good to be with you. >> we said this is a numbers game. here's one bottom line -- 90% of amer
one that's talked about quite a bit, joanne, and that is paul ryan. obviously, the budget guy on the republican side. if he's looking at his political future, is it smarter to be a deal maker or hard line conservative? >> well, see, the problem is it's sort of both. he wants to run another republican primary. he needs to be seen as sticking to his principles. he really doesn't have an incentive to move off particularly the main line principle of not raising taxes. in a republican primary,...
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paul ryan and marco rubio will unveil new policy plans on december 4th. ryan will begin a new push on a more modern push to alleviating poverty. >> kill the poor? >> stephanie: fill in your own blank there. high tech wood chipper? >> just eliminate the poor and you've eliminated poverty. >> stephanie: santorum telling friends he wants to run again. governor rick perry saying he might, too. >> really? >> stephanie: he's begun talking to donors. >> don't they know they already failed at this? >> stephanie: that's a deep bench. >> so you're saying he has the runs? >> stephanie: he came from behind last time. he could surge again. >> go to break. go to break! >> stephanie: we're back on "the stephanie miller show." armed with the facts, and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to take action themselves. as a human bei
paul ryan and marco rubio will unveil new policy plans on december 4th. ryan will begin a new push on a more modern push to alleviating poverty. >> kill the poor? >> stephanie: fill in your own blank there. high tech wood chipper? >> just eliminate the poor and you've eliminated poverty. >> stephanie: santorum telling friends he wants to run again. governor rick perry saying he might, too. >> really? >> stephanie: he's begun talking to donors. >> don't...